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How DO you make those Animal Costumes? (Fursuits)
hard judgement call.... 
15th-Jul-2008 02:12 am
beastcub beast fursuit

okay i know the copyright issue and i plan to never directly copy a character, i may smidge a bit in that if the chracter is enough like a generic animal i will make them the basic suit that they can convert (like a gray wolf that they can then put the scar on the chest to make it Tsume from wolves rain, or a simple black cat with a big head and big eyes they can claim to be kuro neko from trigun, Jiji from kiki's delivery service or they can stick a moon on its forehead and call it luna from sailor moon) but i will never take on anything distinct like wolf link, totoro, pikachu ect or copy a direct animation style (the difference between a toony or realistic lion fursuit and a mufasa/simba/nala fursuit is the style)

but what about "inspired by" characters???

for instance is a wolf with body markings/colors and hair styled after sonic the hedgehog beyond the copyright enough to take on as a commission? it would also lack the trademark gloves and boots (will have paws instead) and does not have the huge head or the styled eyes and well its a tottally different species and would be done as a realistic looking costume and not at all like the animation's style....
the only thing to tie them together would be the placement of the colors on the body  and the spiked hair.

would ditching the spiked hair alltogether make it okay? cause then its just a blue and tan wolf

....i dunno seems okay to me its inspired by the character and not a copy....

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15th-Jul-2008 09:49 am (UTC)
"Where it gets a little bit more leery (on a commission basis, NOT private builds) are examples of taking an existing character and making an anthro "version" of them. I would nopt personally do a commission in that case, as they've only been changed from one species to another."

i see how taking a quad character and making them upright and with padding for human mucles and thus making them anthro is not out of the gray area enough....but what about say making a wolf marked like pikachu as in the tail and ears everything is normal wolf shaped but it is yellow with 2 brown stripes on its back with black ear tips and red cheeks?

is a blue and green lion with a head and eyes styled like simba still a copy?

i just wanna know what is considered acceptable not just lawfully but also in the fursuit community...
15th-Jul-2008 12:12 pm (UTC)
for the blue and tan wolf, I think it would be fine if you omit the gloves and boots, and give him your own style eyes and a longer snout. Then the hair wouldnt be spikes it'd be a mohawk. I think he'd be really cool, just give him a different name, and a wolf like tail.
15th-Jul-2008 03:02 pm (UTC)
I don't know a whole lot about copyright stuff, but as far as I know as long as it's different in some way and you don't call it something like "Sonic" or "Sonic Wolf" you should be okay.

Please correct me if I am wrong someone.
15th-Jul-2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, you could make something that looks reeeeeeaaaaally close, and as long as you keep the name different, I believe that LEGALLY you're ok. That's how people can do parody stuff of cartoons without getting sued >.>
15th-Jul-2008 06:37 pm (UTC)
15th-Jul-2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
I think Latin Vixen was commissioned to do a inspired 'Red XIII' femmy canine.
15th-Jul-2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
What about Joecifur's Krystal costume? Was that sold to someone?
15th-Jul-2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
Sparf has it down.
15th-Jul-2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
I heard somewhere a figure of 10%

If the character is 10% different from the original then it is out of copyright restrictions.

You just have to use your own judgement. If you can't decide or are worried about it, just don't do it and save yourself the worry and the hassle.
15th-Jul-2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
Ethics says:

A 10-20% difference in character design from the original probably does indeed fall under "inspired by." If you feel that the work is significantly different and don't actively try to imitate it, and feel good about that, good. If you feel like it's too close, change it.

Practicality says:

Copyright only becomes a BIG problem if the copyright holder cares enough to press the issue. The reason there's such a big fandom around cosplaying (which is pretty much ALL copyrighted characters) is because most major animation and comic studios see it more as publicity and don't have the resources to press charges, or see it as more trouble than it's worth for a small gain.

Does that make it right? Arguable.

My point is, I think you're fine. The character, to me, does fall under "inspired by" pretty well. SEGA doesn't have time to go chasing down foreign costumers for EXACT costumes of their characters, and certainly not ones "inspired by" their characters.
15th-Jul-2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
You hit the nail on the head with that one.

A large corporate company had one of their actual COPYRIGHTED costumes escape and land on Ebay. It was the real deal, the company didn't care much and let it slide. Granted, that is not a normal occurance...a lot of times stuff like that gets pulled from Ebay- because the clients DO care...but it goes to show it all comes down to how much the client cares and the amount of time it wants to spend.
16th-Jul-2008 12:43 am (UTC)
I'm a green n'white kangaroo with markings 90% close to wolf-Link. I see no harm in it, really.. I like to think I'm different enough to not overlap.
16th-Jul-2008 02:56 am (UTC)
I wouldn't worry about it. There are thousands of cosplayers out there, many of which not only make the costumes for themselves but sell them to others. Some of them even have businesses and make many copies of the same costume, and they still don't get any grief from the copyright holders. Why? Because they don't lose any money on it, to be honest. It's a niche market that's too small for them to care about. If anything, they see it as free advertising.

Look at all the people dressing up as video game characters at Comic Con, for instance, and all the press release it gets. Making a couple of costumes isn't going to set off any alarm bells. The only thing you have to worry about is Disney characters, as they're pretty testy and have been known to sue people over it.
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